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Back to Eyes Wide Open Written on 25-Jul-2009 by ymwritten on 26-Jul-2009
cedric-errero says:
Great post, Yann.
Présenter aussi radicalement que la pub permet une démocratie en bonne santé, ce n'est pas si courant. Pourtant, c'est aujourd'hui vrai.
Faut-il pour autant continuer ainsi ?
L'accès sans condition de revenu (ou autre) à quelque chose est une des caractéristiques d'un service public. Il est impensable toutefois de créer des services publiques en matière d'information. Et il serait également dangereux que les acteurs économiques se considèrent comme des services publiques.
Compliqué.
Maintenant que nous sommes toutes et tous des producteurs/relayeurs de contenu, et des consommateurs de contenus produits/relayés, les modèles économiques se nichent certainement dans l'ajout de valeur ou la modification de valeur permis par les dispositifs de propagation.
My comment in (something like) English :
Radically writing ads mean a healthy democracy is not so common. Yet, so far it is true. Does this mean it has to go like this ?
Regardless of income availability is one of the characteristics of a public service. It is unthinkable, however, to establish public services for information. And it is also dangerous that private actors consider themselves as public services.
Complicated.
Now that we are all content producers/relays and producer/relay content consumers, business models certainly nestle in added-value or changed-value that the "spreading devices" make possible.
written on 26-Jul-2009
ym [http://www.webjam.com/ym] says:
Thx Cedric for your comment, and doing in it English. You have a point in saying that providing a service without a condition on revenues, ie for free, could somewhat put it as a "public service". The advantage of advertising is that it provides this very service, without depending on any government, which is usually better for Media. The irony is that it is often public media services who, by actually financing their free activities through a tax (or "redevance" in French in that case), make it more difficult for private groups to compete by actually generating more revenues by charging for some content. That is a recurring debate in the UK with the BBC as you can see explained by Guardian Chief Carolyn McCall on http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/11/r ... news. While strong advertising is key to fund free content, public policies should not go as far as making difficult to charge for some of it.
written on 26-Jul-2009
cedric-errero says:
At this point (of our discussion), I'm not sure there is any free content (advertising is sometimes a prize to pay), nor people already paying 0 for content.
The 2.0 freemium idea is sometimes weird : if I pay, I have no ad. A new luxury ? ![]()
And if you can't pay for any content (tax or the French redevance, at least), there are probably more important things for you than the content thing.
I'm really wondering about a possible "web tropism" (for mysel to). Talking face to face should remain a major way to share and spread the content content (I hope it will). The real danger for democracy is people not talking each other anymore, face to face.
Web may only be a catalyst for democracy. But it's already huge.
What about a global content purchase power to discuss ?
(not really a comment, but some thoughts)
written on 27-Jul-2009
cristian.saracco [http://www.brand30.net] says:
Great post Yann!
As well as the definition of boundaries is changing (perhaps this is one of the reasons why few people voted), some industries are also looking for a new definition (actually, "aggiornamento")...
I don't know if newspapers are going to become the XXI dinosaurs or not... However, the redefinition will need to include who is going to pay (and what they are going to pay)... I'm trying to say, the issue is that "it is not free, it is something that other person is paying in your name" (perhaps, advertising)
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