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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  chickerino says:

  That'll come in quite handy when I finally get round to setting up my cult. Thanks!

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  davidrufino [http://www.webjam.com/good_news_jam] says:

  Men have been doing this for thousands of years, you don't need a metaphysical whatever to do this for you. Anytime a person says my god wouldn't allow this or do that you have made your own god, anytime you let something or someone take the place of having a real relationship with the true and living God of the bible(the God of Jacob, Issac, Moses etc..) you have made your own god. The Lord says very specifically in the very first Commandment( because I think it is the one thing we do the most of and probably the first sin we commit) You shall have no other gods before Me. For those of you that have made your own god, when was the last time you poured out your heat to it, him or whatever and really expected to get a response? I for myself take great comfort in knowing that when I pray in the name of Jesus that God,is indeed there listening, and not only that, knowing that He cares about me and you and always answers prayer even when it dosen't seem like it.

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  patencia says:

  Davidrufino,
  Despite the name of the "game", its aim is not to "fabricate" a personal God. Rather, it is to test how consistent are the different attributes one believes God to have. For instance: if you believe God is perfectly free, then God could choose whatever (s)he wants. Nothing could stop this because God is omnipotent (if you also believe that God is omnipotent). But if you also believe God to be all-loving, seems that he could never choose to do something which is unloving. It is not that God just chooses not to do such things, rather that God's nature as omnibenevolent constrains what she can do. In other words, God does not have the freedom and/or the power to do something unloving.
  These, of course are rational constraints, and you might well claim that God since he is almighty, he can do what is logically impossible (like 2+2=5). Actually, you can claim that all those things are irrelevant because we cannot understand God; but one thing is that we cannot understand him and another that in theory he could be (logically) inconsistent. In any event, you may say, believing in God does not require rational thinking, it is about faith. For some people that's not acceptable, but of course, for many others it is. And that's fine. BUT, you cannot assume that those who don't accept it, "have never poured out their hearts" in anything they (rationally) believe, let alone felt that they are listened and comforted.
  I agree with you that some people just fabricate their own "Gods" to fit their needs (actually the game is meant to be a challenge for them too). But there are many people who just do not believe in God and do not need to fabricate one. Those people can be perfectly commited with their ideas and feel comforted and listened. That's neither a logical impossibility nor a PRACTICAL one. In fact there are many actual cases like that.
  
  Thanks for your comment

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  albertob says:

  To confront God to Logic is no more than an intellectual game. There´s no ground for conversation.
  But between these two aspects, the relation must be reversible, if Reason has to move away from questioning the faith based on personal experiences then, Religion has to allow the complete secularism of the social life.
  That would be fair.

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  davidrufino [http://www.webjam.com/good_news_jam] says:

  This was a very well thought out response, I really didn't think anyone would respond. Thank you for that view, could I please perhaps add to this? You are right about it taking a bit of faith to believe in God ,someone that we cannot see and seems to be out of our realm of understanding but... it is not just about faith. Lets suppose you come across a building in the middle of a field and there is no one around, how did it get there? did it just appear or did it fashion it self together from the material around it ? we of course would assume that it took a builder to fashion it together right, we can't see the builder haven't met the builder and yet we know it took a builder to put it together, logical rational thinking tells us so, so belief in God takes a bit of rationality from logical deduction i.e. I exist and the universe exists we exist therefore there must be a creator "GOD" As for those who don't believe in God I would assume that a portion of those would be "Atheists" this line of thinking takes a great deal more faith to believe in because it defies hard physical evidence to the contrary opinion of belief in a creator, it simply implies that I have evolved or just appeared as a result of atoms fashioning themselves together for no apparent reason other that to just be. Faith in God isn't just that He exists but rather that He is able to do and will do all that is written about in the bible. One more line of thought if you would please, would you consider a father loving if he told his son that he would have to die for a people that don't love him or believe in him? would this be considered love? I think I know what you might say but let me say first that I freely admit that because God is God and I am just a man that it would be very difficult to understand all the aspects of a Holy God and even with eternity I will never know all there is to know, but with eternity I am confident what there is to know about God will be enough for me, so when we use our understanding of a loving God we have to first understand that we cannot use our definition of love I am a father of three and a grandfather of one and I know I would never, never ask any of them to die for anyone ever because I love them to be sure, more than anyone that isn't of my blood, yet here is God and His Son Jesus showing us a love that goes beyond human reasoning. Thank You for your time I hope that this will encourage more dialog Please understand that I mean no ill will towards anyone, just making conversation

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  patencia says:

  Well, the DIY-GOD was indeed an intellectual game. But beside this, there IS ground for conversation, although admittedly, limited. The conversation is pertinent to make manifest that some things that one chooses to believe are not consistent with others. This might sound obvious, but it turn especially relevant when it comes to people who change from one religion to other because there are some things 'they do not understand' (I know quite a few of those). On the grounds of logic the nonbeliever is not going to convince the believer, as on the grounds of faith the believer is not to convert the atheist. Yet, it will become clear what is exactly what each one is committed to.
  Apart from that, I entirely suscribe your (more interesting) statement
  
  (this comment was meant to answer albertob-I've just seen the next comment by davidrufino)

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  patencia says:

  Davidrufino,
  
  thanks again for your comments which I also take and intend as conversation.
  It seems by what we have said so far that both of us are informed about the debate --rationality/faith-intelligent design/theory of evolution, etc (since, as you can advance my responses, I kind of presume which will be yours), and we (as well as Albertob) take it seriously.
  Unfortunatelly, I cannot devote much of my time now to discuss this here. I take my blog as an entertainment (which does not mean that serious topics are not raised and discussed) and I don't let it take me too much of the time I have to devote to my work and life.
  That said, please don't take me to be avoiding your questions or ignoring them.
  Thanks again for your contribution.

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  Rainfire6 [http://www.webjam.com/the_greenway] says:

  Wow! You started quite the discussion today...I would like to respond to the guy holding his kid who had so much to say about people breaking the first commandment. You are guilty of breaking the first commandment yourself by calling El by the name of a false god. The false god jesus was created by The Universal church of Rome a long time ago. Natsarim (those of Jews in this sect) will not follow after this false god because we are looking for The Messiah who carries the personal NAME of El within his given Hebrew name. The El of Abraham, Yitsaq, and Yaakob would never want to be known by a name that gives honor to the false god Zeus. Since the letter J is only 500 years old, what Name under heaven are we to call upon in order to be saved as The Writings say? No Jew that I know would believe it to be jesus-(this translates to what in Hebrew, 'horse"?) Iin these last days, as the penalty for idolatry is liften upon our people, we are beginning to awake while in the midst of the pigpen of Paganism. Most find themselves to be in the filthy mire of Christianity. I believe by the words you have written, that this is where you are. You must repent, and return to TORAH! If you are following after the false god jesus, and caught up in the Roman calendar of Easter (the spring equinox festival with a new twist, jesus!) and involved with Asherim worship, then you need to repent! You are in danger of bringing all kinds of heat upon yourself by telling others to repent when you are in need of it yourself! If you would like more information, you can write to me at this email barberio777@comcast.net Your leaders are causing you to go o n the BROAD path of destruction, but they are blind. If you are following someone who is blind, you will both fall in the pit. TRUTH should be FREE, and should be so simple a small child can understand it. Ask yourself why they tell you not to obey the laws of the Old Testament except when it comes to the law of tithing. Did you know that Christians teach the wrong thing about the Jewish laws of tithing? It was never about a basket being passed around to put your cash in. How easy is that? We are to give our FOOD, not our income. I could go on and on, pointing out why Christianity is another way toward an anti-Christ. I will pray that your eyes are open within the next week. Shalom and Bracha-The CannaPrincess

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  CannaPrincess [http://www.webjam.com/the_greenway] says:

  Good Job Patencia! I always enjoy a healthy discussion first thing in the morning! Of course I have to address my comments to the CHRISTIAN who had so much to say! I realized I was on my son's computer and commented under his name above. Sorry about that. Why is it that the Christians are always trying so hard to convince all of us that their religion is right, when they are the ones who are the most deceived? The witches and warlocks laugh because they still do the same rituals as they do every year with their Christmas trees and 'witch balls'. They allow their children to participate in Pagan rituals of egg hunting and Easter baskets, Valentine's Day and Halloween, and they add a little bit of truth to it about the Jewish Rabbit Yahushua. They claim to love Him, yet they do not obey Him, sending a message to the rest of us that they are not of us. They claim to worship Him as they collect money for their own men on the 'unconquerable day of the Sun ('SUN" day) not the day of rest that was commanded for Yisrael to set-apart as the day of rest. This day has always been sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. Sabado means 'rest' The one who changed it under penalty of death, just as prophecied by the prophet Daniel, was Constantine at the Nicean Council all those years ago. Christians teach people lies designed to trap them in THEIR religion, they don't point them to the TRUTH. The El who created us does not go against His own Universal laws. That is why Scientists and others have issues with believing. All they have heard is the mixture of lies put out there by men with their own agendas. All of us know deep in our hearts that there is SOMETHING out there. We only have to look at the skies to see His handiwork. He is not what the propogandists tell us he is. They don't even know His Name, how can they tell us what His will is, nor what His personality is. And they certainly cannot explain the feminine side of Him, because that is WISDOM, as the ancient Writings tell us. The fear of EL is the beginning of Wisdom, so unless we begin to fear Him, we cannot know His feminine side.

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  written on 20-Feb-2009

  CannaPrincess says:

  P.S.
  Wasn't this just a blog to let us know about a cool new game? (Laughing)

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  written on 26-Feb-2009

  Steve Slesinger says:

  To the CannaPrincess (Rainfire6),
  That rumor about Jesus and Zeus has been around for a long time but it has no merit. If you are interested, see "What Do Jewish People Think About Jesus? and other questions Christians ask about Jewish beliefs practices & history" by Michael L. Brown, Chosen publishers, (c) 2007. It is specifically addressed by question #38 (page 160 in the paperback edition) "What is the original Hebrew name for Jesus? And is it true that the name Jesus (Greek Ieous) is really a pagan corruption of the name Zeus?" By the way, Michael Brown is Jewish (as I am) and he has a PhD in Semitic Languages and the Hebrew Bible. Many of his book are quite technical and scholarly, but the one I mentioned is an easy read. God bless. Keep the main thing, the main thing -- as Paul said in 1st Corinthians, "For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified." (NKJV) --Steve

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